8 fonts you probably don’t use in css, but should
May 8, 2008 @ 5:58 pm | Comments (174) | by Ross Johnson
CSS has brought us many capabilities in terms of typography and the web, but we always seem to be limited to the same 4-5 typefaces over and over again. There is an inherant problem, if the font you specify isn’t on the viewers computer it won’t render in that font. So as designers and developers we end up selecting the ones that we can safely assume is available on most computers today. So most pages use Arial, Helvetica, or Georgia as their typefaces… and the world of the web remains slightly more bland.
But there are quite a few high quality typefaces that are available on most new computer systems and you can always fall back on the common ones. Of course there are options like creating images, dynamic headlines, and siFR… but all of these techniques increase load time and development time. There are plenty of good reasons to be strategic in the font choices rather than using additional technology. I am shocked at how rarely I see anyone taking advantage of these type options, so here is a quick and dirty list of fonts you should and could use in your desgns and stylesheets.
1. Palatino Linotype / Palatino
WINDOWS 97.09% / MAC 78.86%
This is a nice serif font that his pretty good support for both Mac and Windows based machines (97.09% of all windows machines have it, and 78.86% of mac’s). Yet very few people use it and instead default to georgia or times. As you can see it makes for great headlines, and I have used it with success as copy type as well. Worse case you can always default back to georgia, times, etc.
2. Tahoma
WINDOWS 96.09% / MAC 72.02%
I admit this is not one of my favorite fonts, but it does have many instances where it could be used effectively. It doesn’t seem to get used very often despite the fact that it could be an excellent copy font. Again there is always Arial or Helvetica if the machine doesn’t have Tahoma installed.
3. Impact
WINDOWS 95.85% / MAC 88.08%
Admittedly this font probably is overused in non-web related design. Since it is one of the “cooler” default fonts on most machines it tends to get a lot of use. Despite this fact there are plenty of good places to use it, and it works great for well… “impactfull” headlines.
4. Century Gothic
WINDOWS 85.44% / MAC 42.50%
This is a nice elegant font that was overused by graphic designers some time ago, but it has been locked away and shunned for some time now. It may almost be time to pull it back out of the tool chest. Not a huge percent of Mac systems come with it preinstalled, but most new ones do. Depending on your target audience this could be the perfect font to use. If you are worried about the low mac support you could always opt for Futura as well (which has very high mac support).
5. Arial Black
WINDOWS 97.73% / MAC 96.18%
Yup you don’t just have to use plain old Arial. Arial black is a nice bold font that could be perfect for headings, impacting headlines, and hell even a replacement for the Impact font mentioned above. I don’t know that I would use it for body text, but it is an option that should be realized in web typography.
6. Arial Narrow
WINDOWS 87.08% / MAC 91.01%
Arial again! We are not done yet, oh no. Much like arial black, arial narrow is a great font for headlines. Instead of the big bold in your face style of headlines you can use this typeface for more elegant subtle headlines. A nice change from the traditional arial, and can be used much like you would a condensed font.
7. Copperplate / Copperplate Gothic Light
WINDOWS 58.13% / MAC 85.85%
I will admit I hate this font, mostly because it is misused (and people will probably argue that it is not the fonts fault, but the designers). But there are times when it can be used effectively, and it has pretty good support on newer windows computers and most mac based computers. Most likely it will again be for headlines, larger headlines, as it is not terribly legible at small fonts especially when it isn’t properly aliased.
8. Gill Sans / Gill Sans MT
WINDOWS 43.09% / MAC 90.82%
No surprise I like this font. I think it works both in copy and in headlines, and it has fair support in both platforms. Anytime you use a font that has about 50% support rate you want to think about the next logical font to serve, but there are enough options specific to windows that would let you achieve the same typographic message with only subtle differences.
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COMMENT foo
All eight fonts look the same for me here on Debian GNU/Linux. Please be aware that you only get more Windows true-type fonts by installing the package “msttcorefonts” which includes the following fonts, but not every Linux users knows about that.
Andale Mono
Arial Black
Arial (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Comic Sans MS (Bold)
Courier New (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Georgia (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Impact
Times New Roman (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Trebuchet (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Verdana (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic)
Webdings
Cheers
Posted on 05/09 4:40am
COMMENT Megan
I recently published an article listing all the fonts installed by default on Windows, Mac, and Ubuntu Linux. I find that you can usually find a reasonable alternative for a lot of fonts that works cross platform.
Complete Guide to Pre-Installed Fonts in Linux, Mac, and Windows
Posted on 05/09 8:41am
COMMENT ross
Thanks for the link Megan, and good resource.
Thanks for the list Foo, I was aware that I was only looking at mac/windows situations even though there are a good amount of linux /unixx users. In those situations you are probably better off just picking a font you know works cross browser, assuming that the unix/linux user has downloaded the MS trupetype package, or just having a really long strong of fonts.
Posted on 05/09 10:01am
COMMENT stfalx
Using themalready.
Posted on 05/09 12:12pm
COMMENT kontur
Thanks for the compilation. Always assuring to get some % behind the font you might be using, even if you don’t give any hint where you got those % from
k.
Posted on 05/09 12:17pm
COMMENT Brian
It would be beneficial if you used an actual graphic of the font for those visitors that don’t have the fonts installed on their system be it Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or other.
Posted on 05/09 1:23pm
COMMENT ross
Thanks Brian, I will work on that.
Kontur – I got the information from Code Style’s font survey.
Posted on 05/09 1:57pm
COMMENT Erika
Great article, although I’m a little mad you’re telling everyone to consider Impact again! LOL
Posted on 05/09 2:46pm
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Posted on 05/09 4:45pm
COMMENT Teddy
I’ve been using Tahoma in all of my websites lately…
Posted on 05/09 5:55pm
COMMENT Steph
Ohhh nice post! Really forgot about Arial Narrow and Gill Sans / Gill Sans MT.
You are very right – I usually default to Georgia, but now I’ll definitely consider Palatino Linotype / Palatino. Thanks!
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COMMENT AsceticMonk
Thanks for the list! I will definitely experiment with Palatino.
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COMMENT Fabian
Nice post! This really get’s me thinking
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COMMENT Brendan Falkowski
Copperplate is the bane of my existence. It’s overused everywhere! ..Remind self to try Arial Black/Narrow.
Posted on 05/10 7:21am
COMMENT Mat
Are you sure about Gill Sans being installed on 90% of Macs? I didn’t think it was part of the default install and, while I see it a lot on the machines of friends who work in design, I find it hard to believe that 90% of all Mac users have installed it just for casual web surfing. I’d love to be proved wrong though, as I like the font a lot.
Posted on 05/10 7:38am
COMMENT Liz
I use Palatino for all of my personal written correspondence and I’m just starting to use Tahoma for emails. I haven’t used it in webdesign but they are two of my favorite fonts. Everything can’t be Times New Roman or Arial!
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COMMENT natalya
All except Gill Sans work in Windows; looks the same in Linux. I do like Gill Sans though — wish it was more mainstream. Hope this helps!
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COMMENT Matt
interesting ideas. I had never really considered any of these before. Next time i put together a site, i’ll be sure to check out these.
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COMMENT Subash
I’ve been using Tahoma, Impact, Century Gothic, Arial in most of my designs. Some of the other fonts that i usually use and I’ve been using recently are Georgia, Times New Roman and Verdana.
Posted on 05/11 5:23am
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Thank you for this great list! I will definitely try to use Gill Sans and Palatino in my web designs.
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Posted on 05/12 11:38am
COMMENT Lindsey
Awesome list! I’m really impressed that you put in the percentages of machines that support this font. It will be easier now for myself (and other designers) to use these fonts more liberally in the future without having to worry about if a certain percentage of our visitors won’t get the full experience.
Posted on 05/12 2:26pm
COMMENT Geoserv
STUMBLED!
Palatino is one of my favourite ones.
VOTED for this list at:
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Posted on 05/12 5:04pm
COMMENT inspirationbit
A useful compilation, though I will never use Copperplate. How about Baskerville? It’s a beautiful typeface. Isn’t it supported just like Palatino?
Posted on 05/13 2:54am
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COMMENT Schmoo
Megan – Fantastic resource, thanks
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COMMENT Lari
Trebuchet ms?
is good font?
Posted on 05/13 2:25pm
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Posted on 05/13 7:42pm
COMMENT Type nut
Other than Georgia and Verdana, there’s not too many of the fonts you’ve nominated that I’d be looking at using for on screen use, and I’d don’t think I would ever use any of them for screen text (body copy).
Whilst some [but not all] are rather lovely in terms of their ‘cut’ i.e the shape of their ascenders, descenders, counters, bowls, etc, their x heights and widths are either too small or narrow to facilitate good screen legibility. I find it interesting that the default font of the reply section would appear to be Gill Sans, but with rather excessive tracking [or letter spacing]. I wonder if this is to compensate for; a: the reasons mentioned above, and b: the rather poor contrast between the dark background and the soft grey of the type.
Depends on your agenda really – if you want something to look nice and ‘designed’ or, if you want something purely functional. You really need to assess whether the individual characteristics of each different letter shape can be translated effectively in the raster environment.
Posted on 05/15 1:44am
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Posted on 05/15 11:54am
COMMENT Sam
I like Trebuchet MS.
Arial is only nice when small.
I tend not to use anything other than Trebuchet, Arial and Verdana.
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Posted on 05/16 5:32am
COMMENT Pedro Assumpção
Good post.
Thanks.
Posted on 05/16 10:09pm
COMMENT Meg L
I’m not a designer, but a hundred years ago I worked in textbook publishing, where legibility is critical. Semi-serif faces often work very well. Does Korinna still exist in some form? (better for display or for short, highlighted text than for extended text)
Another classic serif face with great legibility is Bookman. Personally I also like Lucida (Sans, and calligraphy)and for informal use, I like Comic Sans a LOT — easy on the eyes, doesn’t assault you. And some faces whose type is very tightly spaced work well if you add some letterspacing.
Good design is worth its weight in gold. Skilled use of white space can tie related text together unobtrusively, as well as save the eye and the mind of the reader from stressful extra work & wasted time trying to find the way around the page.
I found this site in a search, trying to find out what Content Management Systems are. (I told you, my work life started a hundred years ago!). I really like the site and hope to visit again.
Posted on 05/19 6:52pm
COMMENT Leon
This is rather handy to know, never used Palatino before in my life, so i’ll give it a go. Sometimes I get annoyed with Georgia numbering.
Posted on 05/19 7:09pm
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Posted on 05/23 11:38am
COMMENT typegeek
Arial??? come on!
Gill Sans???
Why not just use the default. A real designer will know you aren’t trying and don’t know anything if you use a default fault. Verdana, Arial, Myriad are all fonts you should use if you are boring and work in an office. Bad taste is contagious. Default fonts should never be used and these are nice for boring designs.
Helvetica, lower case bold should be th default for everything. posters, signs, the works. It didn’t even make the list. Why not put cooper black or futura to this boring list. A good way to know good type design is looking at Swiss design, Dutch, etc… Wim Cowell good. Speikermann bad!
Posted on 05/23 1:10pm
COMMENT ross
I am a little confused by your response. You do know that this is a list of fonts that you can use in CSS… meaning they have to be fonts that most users are going to have installed on their computer by default. Sure you can create images that use different typefaces, that is nothing new.
Posted on 05/23 1:26pm
COMMENT John Domains
Thanks for the list, it’s so true that we often stick with the “safe” fonts.. though I have often used Verdana as well. It’s funny, I was talking to a friend the other day that, believe it or not, doesn’t even use CSS yet. I know I waited too long to use it, but it’s been many years now. But it’s certainly about time to increase my font repertoire as well!
Posted on 05/25 9:06pm
COMMENT Girish Dhulekar
Thats a nice list of long forgotten fonts. We had used them over and over again and then just locked them up and threw the key away. Nice study dude.
Cheers.
Posted on 05/25 11:31pm
COMMENT Get Off The Bandwagon
Really useful list for designers, many thanks. The percentages are very helpful to know how many people will view your site in a certain way.
Posted on 05/26 10:18am
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COMMENT michelangelo
Hi, thanks for this handy reminder. Just wondering, what is the source of the stats for font availability?
Posted on 05/27 4:51pm
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Posted on 05/29 10:47am
COMMENT Binny V A
Can we have the stats for the linux users as well?
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COMMENT Amy
I have a question and a couple of opinions here.
“Apple Garamond” was a masterful 1980s revival of a 16th-Century font. Is the PC version of equal quality? Is it supported adequately to be useful?
Also, I was taught that (for a given font) headlines are more “impactful” if one uses a *larger size* of Caps & Lower Case rather than a smaller size in ALL CAPS (which are difficult to read, in any case).
Finally, it has always bothered me that so many web designers use sans serif fonts exclusively. Again, I was taught that sans serif headlines, along with serif body text, provide the most readable combination, by far. People think they are being “modern” using only sans serif, when they are unknowingly giving us eyestrain and headaches.
Art & design students are on their own with this, but, for the rest of us, almost any of the (short) Robin Williams books provide a good, basic education in typography.
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Posted on 06/02 7:36pm
COMMENT Rick
This should be called “9 fonts you are probably already using in CSS”
Posted on 06/03 11:50am
COMMENT ross
Guess you are ahead of the curve there Rick. Thanks for making the internet a better place
Posted on 06/03 11:59am
COMMENT adi wirawan
yeah, sometime we must consider and also give more explanation to our client that there are any diferences between one OS to another, one browser to another.
Posted on 06/04 12:10am
COMMENT Nick Cernis
Thanks for posting this. As a print designer turned web guy, it’s always been frustrating that we’re limited to working with a fairly narrow range of typefaces online. Having read this, I went and redesigned Put Things Off with Palatino, a slender and beautiful alternative to Georgia that I’d not considered before — cheers for the tip!
Posted on 06/04 4:22am
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COMMENT Webdesign
Great thinking
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COMMENT Ali Reid
I am wondering, isn’t there a concern about spacing, since when a font gets replaced the new font may have a different width?
Posted on 06/04 10:39pm
COMMENT Ben
Remember, too, that there are many different type foundries and they like to steal from each other, re: helvetica/arial. Try adding “book antiqua” to your list if you like palatino, it’s got good windows coverage (it’s a cheaper copy). If you like tahoma, try verdana, as they are EXACTLY the same. You might also find alternate names of the same font, like “gill sans mt” instead of straight up, plain n’ simple gill sans. The moral: learn about type before you design, then scrounge for all possible options.
Posted on 06/05 6:14am
COMMENT ross
Good information Ben, thanks for the feedback. I think that is a great mantra, learn type before you design with type.
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COMMENT John-Paul Walton
This article is basically useless if we don’t know where the stats are from…
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COMMENT tom b
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Posted on 06/06 3:02pm
COMMENT LK
Interesting information, but how did you come about with the percentages?
Posted on 06/06 5:53pm
COMMENT Kyle
All of the fonts you showed looked like Georgia to me, I must not have them on my computer. I guess sIFR is still the way to go for most non web-fonts.
Posted on 06/06 8:33pm
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Posted on 06/07 12:05pm
COMMENT James Baldwin
I never realised that Gill Sans was as well supported as you state in the article. Excellent news – I really like that font
Posted on 06/07 12:28pm
COMMENT Angry Black Man
Personally, I’d rather just use images if I need any of those font types and make sure 100% of my audience sees it. None of those is a decent alternative to the already popular body copy font styles everyone defaults to.
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Posted on 06/08 12:50pm
COMMENT Ali Reid
I am still wondering, isn’t there a concern about spacing, since when a font gets replaced the new font may have a different width?
Posted on 06/08 1:20pm
COMMENT Ross Johnson
@Ali Reid, if you design with “bulletproof” methodology the page will look fine regardless of width.
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Posted on 06/10 10:12am
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Posted on 06/12 8:05am
COMMENT Rachael Hampton
Excellent tests with ratios and all. That help to know the percentage.
Posted on 06/12 1:40pm
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Posted on 06/12 3:06pm
COMMENT toks
i only have arial black, tahoma and impact here on my Linux/Fedora machine…
will check my mac later on that!
thanks anyways… as you said: we can still default to another one
Posted on 06/15 4:37pm
COMMENT prerunner
Awesome article, thanks for the percentages so it is easier to tell who you are designing for when using certain fonts. You’re right, I dont use most of these and after reading this article, I am going to start using these fonts more often in my design.
Posted on 06/16 6:14pm
COMMENT Serene
great article there! Found it just in time to solve the “boring typeface problem” I’ve been encountering for e-newsletters…Cheers!
Posted on 06/18 2:53am
COMMENT Jason King
I love Gill Sans (and not just because its designer Eric Gill used to live in my old home town of High Wycombe).
It’s a good-looking typeface, legible at most sizes, and it mixes well with other fonts. It’s in Mac and Office. The railways use it extensively on their signage. It ends up on a lot of my own websites and it’s my default font in Word.
Unfortunately it’s useless for text that mixes a lot of numbers and letters. The letters I and l and the number 1 look identical in Gill Sans, as I realised the first time I used it on a spreadsheet!
Posted on 06/19 2:49am
COMMENT Ross Johnson
I agree Jason, I love Gill Sans… it is a beautiful font that hasn’t found its way on many peoples radar, especially for web. Thanks for the great feedback!
Posted on 06/19 9:11am
COMMENT Gustav
This is the first place on the internet I have ever come across where someone have publicly stated they like Comic Sans… a LOT.
Posted on 06/19 1:37pm
COMMENT ross
@Gustav – As much as I hate to admit it, I have read case studies that have showed increases in conversion rate by using comic sans on HTML e-mails because it is more casual in nature. As a type snob it makes me cry, as a marketer it makes me think…
Posted on 06/19 1:43pm
COMMENT Gustav
I hear you Ross and I see your point.. Still, it hurts a little inside. I get shivers everytime I see that font put to use
I think the ‘Ban Comic Sans’ site says it best; “These widespread abuses of [Comic Sans] threaten to erode the very foundations upon which centuries of typographic history are built.” Didn’t mean to spark a discussion about Comic Sans here, I was just surprised to read someone actually stating they love the font. As long as it’s HTML e-mails we’re talking about tho, I can probably live with that as I’ve yet to recieve one (or maybe I have, but simply repressed it from my memory
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Posted on 06/19 2:23pm
COMMENT Jenn
I discovered Palatino Linotype when I was in middle school or early high school. It has since been my default font for just about everything.
Posted on 06/19 10:53pm
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Posted on 06/21 6:20pm
COMMENT Toon
I use Trebuchet a lot for headings, Verdana looks really clunky in big sizes. Trebuchet doesn’t work very well for body text though, Verdana still rules there, imho.
And apparently, acoording to http://www.apaddedcell.com/web-fonts, Trebuchet is pretty common across platforms. Yay!
Posted on 06/21 6:40pm
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Excellent post! I alreadu used century gothic a few times, now I shall try more
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Posted on 07/08 4:54pm
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Posted on 07/17 2:31am
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Posted on 08/15 2:35am
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Posted on 12/07 8:38pm
COMMENT Chris Bolton
Nice list. I am using a number of these fonts more and more nowadays. I also think the Lucida font is great for body text and smaller titles. Lucida Grande (Mac) and Lucida Sans Unicode (Windows). Give them a try.
Posted on 12/16 4:24am
COMMENT Max
Thanks for the list… I’m thinking of using Gill Sans on the soon-to-be launched myows application ( http://www.myows.com )
Posted on 12/21 9:21am
COMMENT Shirley
Great fonts. Most of these aren’t used. Of course, not all of them have the kind of OS support that I’d like, but perhaps I will use some of them a bit more often.
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I think you are right. There are an array of fonts available today on most computers but there aren’t many people experimenting with them.
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COMMENT Web Design Sussex
Tahoma & Century Gothic are both really workable fonts for the web. I like Gill Sans MT for publishing documents but not sure if I would ever use it for the web. Even though Georgia is often used I do think alot of template type websites could use this font to break out of the standard fonts used these days.
Posted on 07/12 10:45am
COMMENT mario
I discovered Palatino Linotype when I was in middle school or early high school. It has since been my default font for just about everything…
Posted on 01/06 9:52pm
COMMENT Matthew Praetzel
This is the kind of list I appreciate. It’s hard to always know what font scheme to go with and I usually end up defaulting to either Arial or Lucida Grande. Thanks so much for this list. Especially the percentages by platform.
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